Curse

Siren · Nov 09, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

for all you guys who love and value elitism so much, uninstall game, give me your account and carry on with real life, where elitism is king.

elitism in a game is for the weak.

I feel compelled to loosely quote Forrest Gump:

"Are you trolling, or just plain stupid?"

Alienufo · Nov 09, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

/Signed if you want to play games with heroes...go to the hero arena, thats what its for, HA/HoH has always been about fighting other people

Linksys · Nov 09, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

I've been playing HA more and it seems that Searing Flames is the next VIM-IWAY. And there's the use of Heros, and I'm seeing now how it can bite. I'm not saying do away with heroes still. But to be effective, I'd have to level my heros up, figure out the right builds, and spend money on runes and weapons for them. Even if I use a new PvP character and unlock the heroes I want, it's still a LOT of preparation work when it could be nerfed by the time I get it effective. I'd like to see other options be effective and balanced, like just going in with my character with a team. Right now it seems to be Heroway, Searing Flames, or a combination of both. I'm not complaining about losing to them. I'm just not interesting in doing it that way. I tend to want to do something not many others are doing. I guess seeing a LOT of people doing it Heroway or SF is actually the reason why I'd rather compete in some other way. Sort of like if everyone is wearing black armor, I'd probably wear white. But in this case, I'd want other builds to still be effective in HA.

But I'm still all for opening doors for new gamers to HA. If I was on Guild Wars doing PvP a lot, and I mean a lot, and was really really good at HA and PvP, I'd be in Team Arenas trying to get people the wins they need to get to HA. Yes, I'd flood HA with as many new gamers as I possibly can. If there are more and more new gamer teams forming and competing, hopefully there will be more matches that happen to put them against each other and they can have fun in HA. If there were likeminded gamers, I'd make a guild for that purpose. But I'm cutting down on my GW playtime. I'm just capping elites and doing HA for now.

scrinner · Nov 09, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

/Signed.

Heroes was meant for humans. Theres a limit to where AI can go. im all fine as long as a 50% thing is implemented.

tomcruisejr · Nov 09, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siren

I feel compelled to loosely quote Forrest Gump:

"Are you trolling, or just plain stupid?"

tbh i am trolling.

am i the only one with populist views? come on guys.

supaet · Nov 09, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

Heroes have no place in Heroes' Ascent... :/
I just wanted to say that to see how it looks.

Taking fame out of the earlier matches (only allowing fame in the "upper levels") would cut down all the hero groups, since most of them get rolled before they get to dark chambers anyway. Heroes just can't run relics. Since 99% of the HA population already has rank, this would make a lot of people quit.

Why not wipe the old fame system and completely redo it? All the people who are already high ranked will play with people they know and who know them, and the newer HA players will be able to gain fame without all the farming builds getting in their way. I have wanted a rank reset for a very very long time now, since 99.999999% of players got their rank with a gimmick build like iway, heroway, spike (arguably), or spirit spamming. Theplayer base is double what it was a year ago. Those new players missed all the godo chances to get fame, since all the "broken" or "overpowered" builds have been nerfed.

Back to the main topic. Heroes have no place in HA. Like everyone keeps saying, it's PvP, not AIvAI.

a fame reset will not help any newbies. Like you said, high rank players will play with friends. Rank means experience in hoh. Those newbies will not get into any good groups because they have no experience, no friends and no rank. I tell you what, rank, experiences, and friends in hoh come together. My advice to anyone in hoh: please do not even think about get into a pug that's significantly higher rank than you. You don't deserve it. You're supposed to be playing with people aroudn your level. It's not elitism. You will have more fun playing with people around your experience level than trying to play with higher rank people and get kicked/abused/yell at.

Living Legend · Nov 09, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

all you gotta do is change HA back to 8vs8 so that people don't bring in heroes, because whoever thought 6vs6 was going to be a good idea, got it very wrong

Qual · Nov 09, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

ok ok, enuff crap has been said. Heroes are fine. But it should be 50/50 at the max. And come on guys, some of the posts in this thread are really anti-low rank people. Everyone should be able to have fun in HA. And with 3 r0-r3 people and 3 heroes it should be easy to get to r3+.

So I say, keep heroes in HA but let be 50/50 (3 players and 3 heroes the most)

BTW 8vs8 was better than 6vs6, more tacs back then ^^

supaet · Nov 09, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qual

ok ok, enuff crap has been said. Heroes are fine. But it should be 50/50 at the max. And come on guys, some of the posts in this thread are really anti-low rank people. Everyone should be able to have fun in HA. And with 3 r0-r3 people and 3 heroes it should be easy to get to r3+.

So I say, keep heroes in HA but let be 50/50 (3 players and 3 heroes the most)

BTW 8vs8 was better than 6vs6, more tacs back then ^^

why low rank people have no fun? Do they need to play with high rank people to have fun? do they need to get into high rank groups to have fun? I can assure you that they will not have any fun if some high rank guy take them.

Linksys · Nov 10, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Why does it seem acceptable to call new gamers "newbies"? It's like a derrogatory N word that people can now get by with using.

supaet · Nov 10, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linksys

Why does it seem acceptable to call new gamers "newbies"? It's like a derrogatory N word that people can now get by with using.

newbies=rookies=perfectly fine, I was once a newbie

It's NOOB that's not acceptable. Newbie=inexperience, noob=whatever dirty you want to say about newbies

Linksys · Nov 10, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

I'm not saying the word "newbie" is as bad as some words used in real life and I didn't mean it that way. Anyways, I just call them new gamers.

DIH49 · Nov 10, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linksys

I'm not saying the word "newbie" is as bad as some words used in real life and I didn't mean it that way. Anyways, I just call them new gamers.

"New Gamers" is too long and cumbersome for every day usage. Newbs (or any derivation thereof) is shorter, expresses the same meaning, and is generally more useful.

Mogster · Nov 10, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

/Signed

I've played with hero's alot and all in all its destroyed the entire gw experiance for me.

pvp and pve.

Thallandor · Nov 10, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Elitism in the air, cant you just smell it in here like a foul odour.

Long in the past have some told 'lesser' players to : "ALT F4 uninstall kthxbai" or other things like : "GG Maybe GW isnt the game for you numbnuts."

perhaps there is a shift in the recent changes towards this end for a different group now.

/unsigned.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallandor

Elitism in the air, cant you just smell it in here like a stink.

Long in the past have some told 'lesser' players to : "ALT F4 uninstall kthxbai" or other things like : "GG Maybe GW isnt the game for you numbnuts."

perhaps there is a shift in the recent changes towards this end for a different group now.

/unsigned.

lol.

/puts flame boots on
Define elitism and how it affects your guildwars experience? What is wrong with some people having more experience in HA than others and wanting to play with those at their experience level. You will hear more people saying "ALT F4 uninstall" in alliance battles than HA. Everyone started off unranked, and everyone got flamed. They still played and had fun without ever needing heroes.
What an anti-social bunch you are. Playing with other people is the basis of guildwars PvP, and if you want to PvP without playing with people, then you sir are an idiot.

And before some1 gets cocky and tries to roflpwn me by quoting one of my other posts where I say that rank is a poor measure of skill, and then say that i am contradicting myself, plz remember that i said "more experienced in HA".

Thallandor · Nov 10, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

lol.

/puts flame boots on
Define elitism and how it affects your guildwars experience? What is wrong with some people having more experience in HA than others and wanting to play with those at their experience level. You will hear more people saying "ALT F4 uninstall" in alliance battles than HA. Everyone started off unranked, and everyone got flamed. They still played and had fun without ever needing heroes.
What an anti-social bunch you are. Playing with other people is the basis of guildwars PvP, and if you want to PvP without playing with people, then you sir are an idiot.

And before some1 gets cocky and tries to roflpwn me by quoting one of my other posts where I say that rank is a poor measure of skill, and then say that i am contradicting myself, plz remember that i said "more experienced in HA".

Since you asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiki

The term elitism is also used to refer to situations where a group of people who claim to possess high abilities or simply an in-group or cadre conspire to give themselves extra privileges at the expense of all other people. This form of elitism may be described as discrimination.

And i am the idiot? In your own words: roflpwn

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallandor

Since you asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism

And i am the idiot? In your own words: roflpwn

And how is it ruining your ingame experience?
I mean i was called a noob too, that doesnt mean im gonna start playing with AI in a PvP area. I find tremendously stupid how you justify your claim to heroes because elitism is "ruining their game", and that i why i think you are an idiot.
People are mean to me in PvP, therefore I am going to play PvP with AI.

You think all the trash talking is bad now? wait until you start winning halls and people start knowing you. You will be called way worse than a noob and are guaranteed to be ganked on every map with more than two teams on it. That is descrimination yet I live with it and keep playing. I don't complain about others calling me a noob and want to play in an AI environment.

Btw how the hell is copy pasting a definition from wiki roflpwnage?

Thallandor · Nov 10, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

You think all the trash talking is bad now? wait until you start winning halls and people start knowing you. You will be called way worse than a noob and are guaranteed to be ganked on every map with more than two teams on it. That is descrimination yet I live with it and keep playing. I don't complain about others calling me a noob and want to play in an AI environment.

Well i am sorry you had to go through all that, but do you think feel that is the way how everyone should experience PvP? And how is that going to encourage players to give PvP a go in the first place, if they cant even find a group to play with in the absence of Heros. Until the AI starts making the Heros throw insults around, i wont vote to exclude them from HA as they encourage more players to experience HA PvP as quoted from Galie Chat.

And despite of what you and I think, the game dont just sell themselves unless it can appeal to a wider range of gamers and not just a select bunch of snobs. Unless you like to become a major shareholder and make an executive decision against this then either learn to live with this or perhaps look elsewhere.

Because you are too lazy to look it up yourself.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallandor

Well i am sorry you had to go through all that, but do you think feel that is the way how everyone should experience PvP? And how is that going to encourage players to give PvP a go in the first place, if they cant even find a group to play with in the absence of Heros. Until the AI starts making the Heros throw insults around, i wont vote to exclude them from HA as they encourage more players to experience HA PvP as quoted from Galie Chat.

And despite of what you and I think, the game dont just sell themselves unless it can appeal to a wider range of gamers and not just a select bunch of snobs. Unless you like to become a major shareholder and make an executive decision against this then either learn to live with this or perhaps look elsewhere.

Because you are too lazy to do it yourself.

Granted it is hard to get started, but WE ALL DID IT! This might make it more accessible to others, but have you been to HA since heroes were allowed in PvP. Have you noticed that there are only 2 international districts, as opposed to the usual 4 or 5 before heroes. Are you aware that less people are playing HA, even though it is more accessible to others.
Playing HA was always possible no matter what rank you are, therefore being accessible to all players. If you couldnt find a real party, it is totally your fault, not the "elitist".
Something you can relate to... Let's say you only have a PvE warrior, but you want to solo smites and get loads of ectos. To do this you must create a necro or a monk. Now you have to create a necro, do pre-sear, play through the game and unlock necesary skills, buy armor/runes/weapons, ect... This takes time.
You can't just auto-create a character, map to ToA, and solo smites.

Look point is, HA is PvP and i think it is stupid that AI is everywhere because it makes the game more accessible to newer players (who are less than the older players). I can assure you that there are a lot of players that got started without heroes. They were attracted to the PvP aspect of the game because it was player vs. player. Now these people arent playing HA anymore because it is AI vs AI. Slap in the face imo.